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PostSubject: Color harmonies   Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:38 am

As much as I try I can't seem to get the color harmonies the same as my dreams.

Neither modern art, or ancient art, or middle art conveys the color harmonies of my dreams. They all got the science wrong.

I could use some help with this.
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PostSubject: Re: Color harmonies   Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:02 am

Have you ever tried creating art under the influence of psychedelics? This may solve your problem.

I'd recommend magic mushrooms; if the proper dose is taken, you can have a stable, yet heightened experience.

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PostSubject: Re: Color harmonies   Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:33 pm

Erik wrote:
Have you ever tried creating art under the influence of psychedelics? This may solve your problem.

I'd recommend magic mushrooms; if the proper dose is taken, you can have a stable, yet heightened experience.

I'd rather not use expensive cheat codes and extreme measures.

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PostSubject: Re: Color harmonies   Fri Mar 06, 2015 1:11 pm

How about meditation? Have you ever tried it out?

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PostSubject: Re: Color harmonies   Fri Mar 06, 2015 4:10 pm

Trixie Celūcilūnaletumoon wrote:
As much as I try I can't seem to get the color harmonies the same as my dreams.

Neither modern art, or ancient art, or middle art conveys the color harmonies of my dreams. They all got the science wrong.

I could use some help with this.
You actually dream in color? Once in a while I do but only once in a while as I remember anyway.


What kind of help are you looking for here? Off the top of my head, I would say look to nature. Too simple though I guess, right?

Our minds look outwards in ways which we don't even know, are not aware of, picks up things which remain in our memories. I may be wrong in this but perhaps this is why you seem to get it right in your dreams.

But we all have different subjective ideas and feelings about how colors harmonize.

What colors do you see as being in harmony, which make things beautiful for you?
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PostSubject: Re: Color harmonies   Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:01 pm

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Trixie Celūcilūnaletumoon wrote:
As much as I try I can't seem to get the color harmonies the same as my dreams.

Neither modern art, or ancient art, or middle art conveys the color harmonies of my dreams. They all got the science wrong.

I could use some help with this.
You actually dream in color? Once in a while I do but only once in a while as I remember anyway.


What kind of help are you looking for here? Off the top of my head, I would say look to nature. Too simple though I guess, right?

Our minds look outwards in ways which we don't even know, are not aware of, picks up things which remain in our memories. I may be wrong in this but perhaps this is why you seem to get it right in your dreams.

But we all have different subjective ideas and feelings about how colors harmonize.

What colors do you see as being in harmony, which make things beautiful for you?

I refer to the sublime, the ultimate, the beyond majestic. The stuff of dreams. No great artist has ever been able to catch it. I'd say my little pony comes close in terms of essence, but does not accurately portray the visuals in the same visual style as a dream.

I don't know why people dream in black and white. I am slightly colorblind myself, which results in my art being more colorful (because I overcompensate.) My dreams are not in black and white.

I don't think the brute force approach of computer rendering technology is the way to recreate dreamstuff, it is too pixelly and repetitive. I think we need to go back to basic theory. Sure there are lots of nice snacks, mona lisa and other novelties, but that's all they are. Snacks and novelties. I have observed every art style there is to know, from every human period. I've seen nicities, bland works, even energetic pieces. But they are all snacks. They do not capture the ultimate essence of dreams.

The closest thing to the essence of dreams I have found involves a couple of animations, games, or film styles I've seen. But there is often something about it not exactly dream like, something slightly off. The game might get the essence right, but the visuals are off. Or they might get the visuals right, but the essence off. Or the game might get both the visuals and the essence right, but the gameplay is the stuff of nightmares. And so forth.

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Good dreams, wonderful dreams, soothing dreams...
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I've heard some songs which are high enough quality that they playback in my dreams (with a slight degree of variance from the original, that I am willing to forgive.) Most of these songs tend to be instrumental, high energy pieces, or pieces that have a soothing, mesmerizing, repetitive but with subtle variations lyric.

In game worlds and physical architecture I find a certain formula. It is easy to make an art with a line and say "It's done." It seems good because it has harmony. And if you add more to it, it removes the harmony. But such a thing is rather bland, to become dream stuff it requires more. I find game worlds start to feel edible when there are at least 15-20 things on screen at one time, but all must be in harmony. It's still not quite the stuff of dreams yet. While art tends to be great if it follows or mimicks nature, the stuff of dreams transcends even Nature. In fact, I found that I had the strange ability to possess other people's consciousness in real life via the dream world. However, their lives don't interest me, my true interest is artistic splendor on a level far beyond that which has been not seen before.

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How about meditation? Have you ever tried it out?
Yes but the problem is when I get my great ideas, when I go to write them down on Photoshop or crayon them on the table my visual cortex activates, my original vision becoming distorted and lost.

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What colors do you see as being in harmony, which make things beautiful for you?
It is such a complicated science. The experts think they can teach it but no artist has ever found the absolute answer. Trixie doesn't settle for copying the others. Trixie can do better. Look hard enough and you'll find a popular setting for any color combination, no matter how awful. Even bubsy colors have a function. I am looking for something beyond functional. I seek the ultimate, any other art style falls short... they fade away. The only reliable source of inspiration to go on is the stuff of dreams.

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PostSubject: Re: Color harmonies   Sat Mar 07, 2015 5:31 am

Last night I was offered some profound insight. I could only describe it as God level thoughts. I however forgot much of what was said, but it involved the nature of consciousness and all things, and it all made logical sense. Many have spiritual experiences, but they are described as a feeling of making logical sense, where as this was composed of thoughts that made logical sense, the nature of existence was explained, and made sense. What I got from it was I this one joke I said to a certain person I should clarify things beyond a joke level, because what he had to do had to do with consciousness so I should go back and explain more besides a joke level. However the instructions were very clear, but I forgot most of it.

This lends me to the original topic, color harmonies and dreams. People are good at remembering colors in the sense of "that's red" or "that's yellow." But the are not good at remembering exact wavelengths. Someone will have in mind to paint their house a certain way, and when they go to their store there will be so many subtle variations in hue and luminosity they won't know which one to pick, their house will not be fulfilled with the same color as their vision.

Such is my problem with dreams, I sense colors in my dreams. In non-lucid dreams, the colors are there but feel like wonderful feelings. In lucid-dreams the colors are very vivid and visual. But when it comes to opening photoshop...that's when it all falls apart, because I look at photoshops colors, and photoshops colors alters my memory of the other colors. As for DMT, I never heard of anyone on DMT who can work on photoshop. I wouldn't know where to get any either.

That is one reasons why dreams are hard to remember. Dreams involve DMT and engage the entire brain. Wheras petty things are circulated in a small section of the brain, concentrated and easy to remember. Dreams are a holistic process, and they are stored in the conciousness matrix itself (the consciousness matrix has a short term memory, which is why people can remember their out of body experiences.) While dreaming, it feels like YOU remember the dream, even though it is not stored in your brain, because YOU are of the consciousness matrix, not your brain. When you wake up your brain begins to flood your consciousness matrix with other things, like petty things. But many dreams can be recalled because they are stored in several nonlocal places in the brain at once. Hidden in plain sight because all of the memories are spread across regions of the brain, and need to be activated in a certain way to be accessed again, such as with DMT or sleepiness and unfocused thought.
The problem with this is working on art cancels out the sleepiness and creates focused thought.
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PostSubject: Re: Color harmonies   Sat Mar 07, 2015 8:42 am

I thought you said you weren't into cheat-codes and extreme measures? DMT is the ultimate cheat code and extreme measure.

Dreams are interesting. I experience something called ' sleep-paralysis ', which is, basically, when you wake up from sleep; but can't move your body, only your eyes. Your consciousness is awake, yet still partially in the dream world, so you actually begin to hallucinate or project your dream visions unto the ' real-world' landscape. Most of the time, it's non-visual. Usually, there is a malevolent presence you can sense lingering next to you. It's not a psychosis; many people have this, actually.

It's crazy how vivid and intense the visions/hallucinations are, though; they seem more real than real. I've had a few benevolent/angelic experiences with sleep-paralysis, but most of the time, it's of a demonic nature.

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PostSubject: Re: Color harmonies   Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:10 pm

Erik wrote:
I thought you said you weren't into cheat-codes and extreme measures? DMT is the ultimate cheat code and extreme measure.

As far as DMT goes, I was referring to the small amounts I get at sleepytime. If I can't work clearly with the minute amounts I naturally get at sleepytime, how then would I be able to accomplish any work with the bigger amounts taken chemically? When I create a work during sleepytimes, it is hit or miss. Sometimes I get masterpieces, sometimes not. Only the special catch is during sleepitime I can't tell my shit from my gold, everything seems nice, like an illusion, until I get sober in the morning.
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Dreams are interesting. I experience something called ' sleep-paralysis ', which is, basically, when you wake up from sleep; but can't move your body, only your eyes. Your consciousness is awake, yet still partially in the dream world, so you actually begin to hallucinate or project your dream visions unto the ' real-world' landscape. Most of the time, it's non-visual. Usually, there is a malevolent presence you can sense lingering next to you. It's not a psychosis; many people have this, actually.
Odd, I don't know why they wouldn't enter your body, only linger next to you. Perhaps they aren't attracted to you in that way. I have experienced sleep paralysis as well, as well as double dreams, as well as the common trip and fall effect, as well as some other things I forgot. One time I woke from a dream where I was dying only to find myself dying in real life. I have had vivid hallucinations before, but they caused intense headaches, but not painful headaches, just the kind of thing you would associate with emotional intensity.

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It's crazy how vivid and intense the visions/hallucinations are, though; they seem more real than real. I've had a few benevolent/angelic experiences with sleep-paralysis, but most of the time, it's of a demonic nature.

Seems to me humans are more capable of emulating bad architecture. For example Quake 3 arena, Legend of Zelda, Gears of War and Mario have sublime architecture. But all of them are nightmarish worlds.

Zelda and Mario are the most nightmarish worlds of all. Do you know why?





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PostSubject: Re: Color harmonies   Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:30 pm

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Seems to me humans are more capable of emulating bad architecture. For example Quake 3 arena, Legend of Zelda, Gears of War and Mario have sublime architecture. But all of them are nightmarish worlds.

Zelda and Mario are the most nightmarish worlds of all. Do you know why?

No, why?

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PostSubject: Re: Color harmonies   Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:35 pm

Something has occurred to me, and correct me if I am wrong, but it seems that you are having difficulty reproducing what you have perceived in a dream into a real image when awake. It is just possible that the colors that you perceive in a dream are not real, and when you go to a pallet of colors when awake, the color you are seeking just isn't there. What you are dreaming might be an idea of a color and not a real color. I remember dreaming and the colors of the objects would be changing as the dream progressed, so there was no one color that I could remember. This would cause a great deal of trouble when you go to pin down what the color was in your dream.
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PostSubject: Re: Color harmonies   Sun Mar 08, 2015 7:43 am

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Something has occurred to me, and correct me if I am wrong, but it seems that you are having difficulty reproducing what you have perceived in a dream into a real image when awake.   It is just possible that the colors that you perceive in a dream are not real, and when you go to a pallet of colors when awake, the color you are seeking just isn't there.   What you are dreaming might be an idea of a color and not a real color.   I remember dreaming and the colors of the objects would be changing as the dream progressed, so there was no one color that I could remember.   This would cause a great deal of trouble when you go to pin down what the color was in your dream.  
Nonsense. The colors would be real, they would be defined by a wavelength.
Computers only have 16 million colors. I have noticed that subtle changes make a large difference in emotion of color. For example changing RGB 128,233,156
to 1 degree in a different direction makes a huge diffference. This makes color theory an infinitesimal science.

I have noticed the same with music. To align the precision and correct ryhtm of drum beats, 1/64th notes are often required. This is why alien species tend to abandon the arts and music. Ufos are just plain circles. The brain has a limit on how large it can get. When it gets too large it becomes less effecient, its kind of like writing things down to keep track of dejavu, but when you write so many things down you can't keep track of everythign you written down.

Moving colors are hard to program, and dream's colors are subtly moving, like you say.
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